"I don't think is so simple that hey they take him later so they didn't love him that much -- especially when you are posting here about how you much you think of Payne"
I dont see what your point is. I have pointed out plays where Payne was very disruptive, what does that have to do with anything? Your point alludes me, my friend.
If we had a first round grade on Guice, why risk losing him? We didnt move back a spot or two, we gave everyone the opportunity to go get him after he fell to us. Thats a very clear indication of our own concerns, Doug Williams telling us his grade doesn't mean anything - trading away the opportunity to draft him in the middle of round 2 tells us quite a bit.
I dont want to be down about Portis' take, I simply disagree with what took place vs Arkansas. I dont start with a conclusion, I wanted Derwin James, but I watched Payne & am very impressed with what I see. His pass rushing is consistently criticized, but Pruitt didn't ask him to get up the field as much as guys with superior highlight clips did. I dont believe he was credited with a single tackle in the Arkansas game, but he could have had 2-3 sacks in the first 10 snaps he played. He wrecked Arkansas when it was close. I think a lot of people see the lack of stats & let that impact how they see the film. As for the guys watching the clips, Id be more interested in what you see vs Arkansas than 2nd hand information from Portis or Cooley. I will look back to see those thoughts of yours, but Ill refrain from rehashing anything.
I wasn't particularly impressed with him vs my Vols until I watched the game a 2nd time. He won nearly every snap, something you clearly noticed.
I value a disagreement as much as an agreement, the value is in the discussion & being willing to put your considerations out there. I respect that you don't shy from possible criticism, the draft discussion is the most enjoyable part of the season for me, but also the most difficult to navigate cleanly. The best scouts get these guys wrong with regularity, there are simply too many variable.
When we drafted Payne over Derwin I strongly considered seeing how far I could throw my remote control. After a walk & a talk with my therapist, I decided to watch the Vols game more closely, then the UGA game, and I changed my mind completely. Being a diehard Vol fan isn't easy, we rely on large quantities of beer & xanax to get us through each season. Now my NFL team has become Bama-North, these guys just wont leave me alone, even our new HC is from Bama. But, having watched more football than Im comfortable admitting, Id be shocked if Payne isn't a great player for us. The Arkansas stills above are a perfect example of why he gets overlooked by some; they run a bootleg away from him, triple team him, he clogs the middle for a LBs tackle, stunts & beats a tackle forcing a scramble, & causes an INT grounding. No stats, but he dominated the Arkansas OL thoroughly.
He isnt asked to rush the passer a lot, but if you watch the Vols game again, watch what he does on the last play of the half. Heck, I'll just post the stills of it. Another play that doesn't show up in the stats, but displays an agility & natural pass rushing ability that I believe will have him in a pro bowl or 8.
I enjoy your considerations a great deal, my friend.
Below Payne lines up over Tennessees one truly special OL, Trey Smith. This is a hail mary so Payne is free to get up the field, its one time when he's let loose to cause damage any way hes able. Our new 315lb human gets off the ball first, splits a double team with a spin move, puts a freak (Smith) on his ass, & you can even see him being held as he busts through the line...alone. Hes just unbelievably special imo.