Andrew Luck is the next (insert name of one year wonder/moderately disappointing white QB)

With the constant barrage of mediots and half-wit fans continuously labeling/comparing RGIII with Cam Newton for no apparent reason other than they're both mobile black QBs...and thereby insinuating or even declaring that Grif is destined to be a flash in the pan who will stumble once the novelty wears off, and thereby succumb to the superior play of another QB of the same draft (Dalton surpassing Cam), I think it's overdue that we start slapping labels on Luck based on irrelevant failures/disappointments of his predecessors. Sooooo....

Andrew Luck is the next Sam Bradford. Like Bradford, everyone said he was the most NFL ready and surefire success since Peyton Manning. Our own coach said he was a once in a generation prospect. He went to the worst team in football and nearly led them to the playoffs his first year. Yet he hasn't appeared to have progressed at all since, and has arguably even regressed now that teams have film on him. White QBs who look like they're Indonesian just don't win Super Bowls.

Lol at the thread title. You have a good point though

Don't hate just cause haters be hate'n on RG!!!.

I hope Luck does well, and provided a good benchmark for how much more awesome RG!!! is...

Ironically, that comparison is actually rather valid.

Bradford went to a terrible team, put up mediocre numbers but managed to win games against a godawful schedule, and got hailed for it until next year rolled around and he couldn't play the last place schedule. To this day, Bradford looks like an average QB at best. Not saying the same thing is sure to to happen to Luck, but the parallels are there.

Why are we so infatuated with Luck? lol

C'mon... Andrew Luck is pretty good. His team is 9-4 and he's a rookie. He's going to be a very good QB for a very long time.

But RG3 is better.

(That's all you have to say.)

This is a valid topic, but I'm not sure this thread will remain open.

RGIII > Luck

Andrew Luck is the next Sam Bradford. Like Bradford, everyone said he was the most NFL ready and surefire success since Peyton Manning. Our own coach said he was a once in a generation prospect. He went to the worst team in football and nearly led them to the playoffs his first year. Yet he hasn't appeared to have progressed at all since, and has arguably even regressed now that teams have film on him. White QBs who look like they're Indonesian just don't win Super Bowls.

Luck has been playing great for a rookie, don't hate. He's definitely been playing better than Bradford did his first year.

Also, I personally wouldn't bring race into this. The race card is SO stupid (see Warren Moon articles). RG3 will make the comparisons to Vick/Newton go away as the years go on if he's a good QB, which he has shown so far. Let RG3 shut the media up himself, don't attack other rookies because they get attention as well. If I'm not mistaken, RG3 gets a bunch of positive media attention as well.

C'mon... Andrew Luck is pretty good. His team is 9-4 and he's a rookie. He's going to be a very good QB for a very long time.

But RG3 is better.

(That's all you have to say.)

This^

By the way, he threw his 4th pick 6 of the season yesterday and Colts opponents have now scored 61 points off of Andrew Luck's turnovers.

Luck has been playing great for a rookie, don't hate. He's definitely been playing better than Bradford did his first year.

Race is a part of it because only a white QB would get so much love for throwing for less than 55 pct completion rate in the modern NFL, along with a 1:1 TD/INT ratio, more fumbles and someone who generally makes some horrid decisions and is ranked....

#31( !!!!) in the NFL in QB rating and is far below the 'Good' QB tiers with 7.06 YPA. 61 points off his turnovers, including four pick sixes.

Meanwhile #1?

RG3 in YPA and in overall QB rating.

But we still have people talking about a COlts team inspired to play for their sick coach.

Make RG3 white and Andrew Luck black with the same stats and we're not even having this debate.

Sad but true. That does NOT mean that Moon was right about Cam, half his critics were black and were bemoaning his attitude, not necessarily having some struggles.

yeserday was the clincher for me ... if Robert played as horrible as Luck did yesterday, does this current skins team win the game. HELL NO.

Yeah, this is kinda silly. I get it, and it bothers me that so many people talk trash on RG3, but they wouldn't talk trash if he wasn't good. So I don't let it bother me too much.

As long as we're winning, what is there to get worked up about?

We have a franchise QB that will more then likely lead us to a Lombardi one day. Why some of you are continuosly bringing up Luck's name is is head scratcher and pathetic IMO.

The hate for that kid who has done nothing to deserve such hate is inexplicable. He's a good kid, a rookie QB on a team that was blown up and doing something that NOBODY saw coming and that's leading the Colts to a possible playoff spot.

Race is a part of it because only a white QB would get so much love for throwing for less than 55 pct completion rate in the modern NFL, along with a 1:1 TD/INT ratio, more fumbles and someone who generally makes some horrid decisions and is ranked....

#31( !!!!) in the NFL in QB rating and is far below the 'Good' QB tiers with 7.06 YPA. 61 points off his turnovers, including four pick sixes.

Meanwhile #1?

RG3 in YPA and in overall QB rating.

But we still have people talking about a COlts team inspired to play for their sick coach.

Make RG3 white and Andrew Luck black with the same stats and we're not even having this debate.

Sad but true. That does NOT mean that Moon was right about Cam, half his critics were black and were bemoaning his attitude, not necessarily having some struggles.

RG3 has played more efficient, but he has a different team with an explosive run game. Both are great rookies.

The ESPN list for QBs is bogus. Do you really think Alex Smith is #2?

Luck has been playing great for a rookie, don't hate. He's definitely been playing better than Bradford did his first year.

Also, I personally wouldn't bring race into this. The race card is SO stupid (see Warren Moon articles). RG3 will make the comparisons to Vick/Newton go away as the years go on if he's a good QB, which he has shown so far. Let RG3 shut the media up himself, don't attack other rookies because they get attention as well. If I'm not mistaken, RG3 gets a bunch of positive media attention as well.

It's hard to not see the race card when you look at the rhetoric that surrounds this issue.

>RGIII plays in a simple gimmick offense

>RGIII makes one read

>RGIII can only scramble

>RGIII doesn't go through progressions

>RGIII is a product of the system

And the list goes on and on. It's been going on for a year. And every athletic black QB goes through it. Look at Cam Newton who people wanted to proclaim a bust the minute he had a tiny sophomore slump.

Meanwhile Andrew Luck throws 3 INTs and 55% and the excuses roll in - he's "making tougher throws", "he's reading defenses", "he has nothing around him", "he's a winner and clutch".

Also, people are annoyed at Luck because of the ridiculous amount of hype for a QB playing terribly by any standard because he makes a good story, whose fans make ridiculous excuses as to why he's a top 10 QB despite being one of the worst QBs in the NFL statistically, and who the media praises as a "winner" and "clutch" ignoring the terrible play that makes the clutch play necessary. Granted, he'd play better with an offensive scheme that isn't about forcing deep passes to covered WRs every play, but whatever.

This thread was not intended as hating on Luck, but rather exposing the narrow-minded racially infused comparisons foisted upon our guy. If nitwits can discount RG3's success by drawing unrelated parallels to Cam's rise and fall, it would be no less absurd to point to the initial success and subsequent collapse of a traditional pocket passer to Luck.

Why are we so infatuated with Luck? lol

Because the media and some moronic fans (see StillSwinging on KFFL, also known as Scott Kacsmar) are making the claim that Luck is EASILY the OROY with absolute **** numbers in comparison to three rookies I identify..four.

RG3

RWilson

AlMo

Doug Martin

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This thread was not intended as hating on Luck, but rather exposing the narrow-minded racially infused comparisons foisted upon our guy.

But let's be real. We switch numbers out and no one is even having the debate about who is OROY. Funny how almost any year numbers matter unless the difference is SMALL. But when it's a black QB who is rated #1 in the NFL with the highest YPA in the game, the longest TD run by a QB, whose offense is predicated on his abilities---then it's still about a debate, just because Johnny White Guy has a good team. Nevermind his horrific QB rating, completion pct and TD/turnover ratio.

You don't render racial insensitivity irrelevant by ignoring it or refusing to bring it up, you mock it, you satirize it, you hold it up and show people what a caricature it really is. You steal any malignant power it might have and turn it into the cartoon it should be.

If you look at what the primary job of the Quarterback Andrew luck is terrible at 2 key components. Completing passes, and protecting the football. Now he has been super clutch but its almost like Tebow in a sense. Bad QB play for 55 minutes. Game stays close for whatever reasons and Tebow cashes in late. This is essentially whats happening with Luck playing Tebow in a traditonal QB role.

RG3 has played more efficient, but he has a different team with an explosive run game. Both are great rookies.

The ESPN list for QBs is bogus. Do you really think Alex Smith is #2?

No, I'm talking NFL QB rating, not ESPN's QBR, bruh.

No, one is a great rookie, the other is a good rookie.

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We have a franchise QB that will more then likely lead us to a Lombardi one day. Why some of you are continuosly bringing up Luck's name is is head scratcher and pathetic IMO.

Griffin, Alfred, Doug Martin or Russell Wilson deserve OROY that's why. If Luck had RG3s numbers, no one would be saying anything.

Tim Tebow.

You don't render racial insensitivity irrelevant by ignoring it or refusing to bring it up, you mock it, you satirize it, you hold it up and show people what a caricature it really is. You steal any malignant power it might have and turn it into the cartoon it should be.

Agreed. This is what I thought I was doing....I figured the closing comment about wh ite QBs who look like they're Indonesian don't win SBs would've been a clue as to this thread's sarcastic/satiric intentions, but.....

i dont think he will bust and i hope he succeeds...

on another note, when griffin went back in the game it seemed to me he ws running a more traditional offense and did well in it for a couple throws

Luck has been thoroughly mediocre. He's barely connecting on 50% of his passes, throws an interception for every touchdown, and his qb rating is 74.5.

Here is a small sampling of QBs who in their rookie years put up comparable numbers to Luck, in terms of completion percentage, TD:INT ratio, and QB rating:

patrick ramsey

jason campbell

tony banks

I could go on. Look up your favorite bust QB who had any glimmer of modest success as a rookie, and his numbers will likely surpass Luck's in any criteria that isn't skewed by Luck's throwing 50 passes per game. Luck is essentially putting up the same numbers in those categories that Rex Grossman did last year.

Here is a list of QBs who have, in their rookie seasons, put up comparable numbers to RG3 by those same criteria:

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RG3 is essentially putting up the same numbers in those categories that Tom Brady put up last year. And the man is a rookie.

Race is a part of it because only a white QB would get so much love for throwing for less than 55 pct completion rate in the modern NFL, along with a 1:1 TD/INT ratio, more fumbles and someone who generally makes some horrid decisions and is ranked.....

I agree, but he also gets all this love for being the #1 pick. Also, he went to a respected franchise. He would not be such a darling if he was in Oakland or Arizona.

Luck has 4 pick sixes this year and I think two safetys. Not good.

People keep saying throw out the stats, but you can't, you really can't.