c4man5282 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Just posted this on his FB page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Wow, they're backing these players into a corner bigtime! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Janky Spanky Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 This is unfortunate, but not surprising. The owners' best hopes of winning this battle is the fact that many of the players cannot afford to not get a salary and benefits for a year. For as many millionaires out there as there are, there are many guys who are barely off the practice squad who cannot afford a lockout. These players may well put enough pressure on the union that eventually they start conceding to the owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 This is unfortunate, but not surprising. The owners' best hopes of winning this battle is the fact that many of the players cannot afford to not get a salary and benefits for a year. For as many millionaires out there as there are, there are many guys who are barely off the practice squad who cannot afford a lockout. These players may well put enough pressure on the union that eventually they start conceding to the owners. Well its known that they don't get a paycheck during the offseason regardless. But then to take away health benefits will become very problematic for most of these guys. I'm sure the goal of the owners is to back the players so far into the corner, that the players begin to turn on the union to hurry and get something done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Kind of a low-ball thing to do. But then again, the players have stooped lower, in my opinion, with threats to boycott the draft and scouting combine and suing over collusion last off-season... This is why I really despise this kind of labor-unrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Well, there is no CBA. In any business, if the CBA expires there is no obligation to fund a healthcare policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSparta Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Yeah, a guy like Reed can't afford to not have a paycheck and health insurance with all the problems his kid has had so far. The owners are really squeezing the players union now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Well its known that they don't get a paycheck during the offseason regardless. But then to take away health benefits will become very problematic for most of these guys. I'm sure the goal of the owners is to back the players so far into the corner, that the players begin to turn on the union to hurry and get something done. yup. as crappy as that is, its the smart business move for the owners, and the players will definitely push harder to get something done with benefits being taken away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Sucks, but the owners are doing everything in their power to make the players feel it in their wallets before they (the owners) have to, so they bow to the owners' demands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I don't think it's a bad thing to do. However, maybe it should have been something the owners gave more notice about (if Doughty is correct that it's last-minute). I think the owners don't have any obligations to pay out a lot of money in health care when they don't have an agreement with the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Not unexpected. Anyone who has been involved in labor disputes knew this was going to be used. In fact, the players should have been expecting this. Could be good PR for the players if they play this one right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins-Canes-Mounties Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Well, there is no CBA. In any business, if the CBA expires there is no obligation to fund a healthcare policy. Exactly. The last deal said that insurance would continue until March 4. There isn't a new deal. True, the owners could advance some extended coverage as a showing of good faith, but the players decided to mount a smear campaign last year. If it has the money, the union could also obtain coverage for its members, but it doesn't look like it is planning to do so. In any event, the players and union should have seen this coming a mile away. Hell, discontinuing health coverage has been in the headlines for months. If the millionaire players need health insurance, they should contact their local agents. This could be a while . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Sucks, but buy a plan for a few months like everyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tris Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Old news. When Goodell was doing his tour locker rooms to discuss the work stoppage, many players were asking if their wives who were preganant should induce labor prior to March 4th. Ridiculous. It's all fine and dandy that Rog is going to cut his salary to $1, but you can guarantee he's not cutting his benefits or health insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Sucks, but buy a plan for a few months like everyone else? Problem is that they may not want to since they aren't recieving a check. What you're saying makes logical sense, but they may be saying "Forget That i'm not paying for anything!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac9 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Aren't players basically contractors? Not employees, right? Therefore, why do they get health insurance benefits anyway? And even with their min. salaries, don't they make enough to buy their own? These days the players are rich, the owners are rich; they need to just make an agreement so us poor suckers can pay hand over fist to watch the games. Not so sympathetic for either side, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Players are going to get locked out faster than Fred at the end of the Flintstones. How dumb can both sides be? I mean, didn't they see what happened to MLB? :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Players are going to get locked out faster than Fred at the end of the Flintstones.How dumb can both sides be? I mean, didn't they see what happened to MLB? :doh: I don't think it'll be a MLB/NHL protracted lockout...the NFL is not that stupid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Uhh, not to sound insensitive, but I'm pretty sure every NFL player 'who makes a team in september' can afford the time and money to get the best insurance thats out there. Much better than mine. Reed needs to not act so surprised. I'm sure they were all aware this would/could happen. He's playing it off as such to make the NFL look bad so he and other players can end up with more money when this is all said and done. Pretty weak, IMO. I've leaned away from the players on this whole thing ever since I saw them do that little 'finger in the air' thing week 1. Those guys are making a lot of money, and the NFL is not. Seems simple to me. I think the players are trying to push this whole health care thing up to the front because they don't really have any other argument. They're changing the subject by trying to demonize the NFL for 'not caring about it's players.' Yea, Reed, this IS about money. You're making plenty and the NFL is not. It needs to balance a bit more, and it really doesn't have anything to do with an 18 game season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlinginSammy HOF '63 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 These players make a lot of money and have known for a couple of years that a potential work stoppage was going to happen. If they couldn't alter their lifestyle to shove back some rainy day money I really don't have a lot of sympathy for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tris Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Those guys are making a lot of money, and the NFL is not. Uhh, not so sound insensitive, but are you mentally disabled? The NFL is not making money??? What planet are you living on? You know that have a $20 BILLION dollar TV deal that will pay the owners THROUGHOUT the lockout? If they aren't making money, why aren't they bending over backwards to open up their books and show their P&Ls? That would massively swing public opinion to their side. Your depth of knowledge on this issue is staggeringly shallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahons21 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Appalling, but this is the business side of football. Anyone who honestly thought the owners truly cared for players health was kidding themselves, these are logical human beings in our capitalist society, driven by money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Uhh, not so sound insensitive, but are you mentally disabled?The NFL is not making money??? What planet are you living on? You know that have a $20 BILLION dollar TV deal that will pay the owners THROUGHOUT the lockout? If they aren't making money, why aren't they bending over backwards to open up their books and show their P&Ls? That would massively swing public opinion to their side. Your depth of knowledge on this issue is staggeringly shallow. I worded that wrong/too quickly. A TV deal is fine and well, but you don't use it to justify any decisions in your business. That's seperate from the issue. Just because it's BILLIONS doesn't mean the business should run any more slack, or different. They're not showing their books because that's just something you don't do? I believe if they did, it wouldn't necessarily show anything in the negative, and the majority of the public wouldn't understand and would just say "oh oh, see, you are making plenty". In fact, I think it's odd how professional athlete's salaries are everyones business. They shouldn't be. It's widely known that the last deal was too player-friendly. The depth of knowledge here for both of us is low, because, like you said, they won't open up their books for anyone. The NFL owners are businessmen, and I think know far more about where the numbers should be IN a business. Right now, they're saying the numbers aren't right, and even if the NFL is making BILLIONS with TV deals, it would seem they're not making what they should. The only thing the players have to say is "oh you don't care about your players health." So if neither of us can see the books, and if I have to take a side here, I'm taking the side of the successful businessman, not because he's greedy, but because he knows what he's talking about. Of course the NFL is making money, sorry, but it would seem they're not making what they're supposed to be making, and any business would make changes in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Uhh, not so sound insensitive, but are you mentally disabled?... Your depth of knowledge on this issue is staggeringly shallow. Gotta love Tris, giving it straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikie Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I'm sympathetic for reed considering his son and his health history, it's a tough time for such a situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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