That was actually @Jumbo who initially brought that up (well, openly, it’s always a topic among us).
As for me, I have repeatedly warned @bobandweave and others about bringing Kirk up directly or indirectly, then throwing a fit when others counter by saying something like “let’s move on” or “why are we bringing him up, he’s a Viking”.
Essentially, it’s “yeah, we’ll talk about him only when we want to and in the context we prefer, otherwise everyone shut up and stop it”. It’s an attempt to stifle discussion which is the antithesis of the board. It’s something you see all over the place in other social media outlets. Straight trollish behavior.
Similarly, posters will “like” certain posts about Kirk, then when the discussion turns away from the context they prefer, they make posts or “like” posts telling everyone to shut up and move on.
As long as we allow it, Kirk can be brought up with regards to Alex and/or Bruce. There is a legitimate and healthy discussion to be had there. And so long as it maintains some semblance of that, we’ll continue to allow it.
Until that changes (there’s definitely evidence to suggest it has or it will) we’ll put a stop to it per our role as mods. Otherwise, we don’t need anyone attempting to do so when it suits their agenda.
Bobandweave should not have said he was warned not to talk about Kirk. It’s actually quite the opposite. That’s a gross misrepresentation and I’m glad you guys noticed that.
As for this thread, you know, it’s really odd.
I’m super happy and enjoying this season overall at 6-3 (though the losses have absolutely sucked, lol, they’re not even anywhere near a “moral victory”, yeesh). The defense has been fun to watch for the most part and our special teams (particularly our kicking game) has been excellent. Magnificent even! Of course, AD has been wonderful as well. Good times.
I’m also extremely concerned about Alex’s limitations thus far and the very legitimate possibility that he ends up being the biggest hindrance to real playoff-level contention.
And, yet, I have absolutely zero cognitive dissonance regarding that and feel perfectly fine with airing those concerns in a thread about, uhm, Alex. In fact, the concern is there specifically because I want to keep enjoying myself.
Which is really weird, right? Because I keep reading posts, in this thread about Alex, telling me that (because of those perfectly reasonable feelings) I’m not really happy about our record and I need to enjoy this. That one coming into a thread about Alex and discussing the presently obvious flaws in his game is indicative of being miserable overall or something. That extreme conflation of QB performance to a team’s win/loss record is perfectly fine and acceptable and not utterly nonsensical as proven a thousand times over.
I mean, am I in another thread that’s about celebrating our season as a whole or even a particular unit playing well, where many are unjustly airing those concerns about Alex? The mind ponders. 🧐
I must be crazy. Enjoying this season and having fun while largely being frustrated, disappointed and rightfully concerned regarding a major team strength in the past that has now become a glaring weakness due to QB play from someone we heavily invested in.
That’s impossible! Can’t be! I must be lying to myself and deep down I’m absolutely miserable. Thank you ES for waking me up to how deeply unhappy I truly am, all this time I’ve been blissfully asleep. 😝
Alright, no more tongue in cheek silliness. This particular win has me extra pleased because, with the Eagles losing as well, it gives us some big time cushion. It also came against the type of opponent our formula usually fails against (and you can clearly see why that is during the game, but man were the Bucs stupid), which was great. We obviously have a bunch of things we need to “get right” as a team, with the most important thing being Alex Smith and the passing offense.
Will it ever happen? I’m not sure. And with every week that passes by the hope is diminishing it will. It’s just... anemic. But the cushion, record-wise, is there and we can afford a little more patience now. That’s massive.
We’re distancing ourselves from the organizationally pervasive “panic” atmosphere (that Jay has actually overcome very well during his tenure here) where catastrophic decisions are made and the inevitable, total collapse follows. The one that we’ve seen far too many times as fans.
Is the formula (great running game and defense, ball control, win the TO battle, etc...) that got us here sustainable in the modern NFL? Extremely doubtful. It works, you can win, but even the rare teams that pull it off during an entire season too often fall apart the next season, since it’s so hard to maintain the many moving parts in terms of personnel required to do so.
We really do need Alex to improve. We simply paid too much. It’s damn near impossible to win with the amount of resources invested there with the type of production we’re getting now. It was oft-repeated here how moving on from Kirk would mean we could save all that cap space and use it elsewhere to build a stronger team.
Well, we moved on and “all this cap space saved” hasn’t resulted in much. Furthermore, we lost a draft pick in a spot we’ve actually been effective in finding players as well as a key young piece on our defense. It’s a minor miracle that we’ve attained a record like this with this type of resource management from our FO. You just don’t see that around the league, few can ever overcome it. I give major credit to the coaches as well as our college scouts for that.
But Alex has got to do way more if we’re ever going to truly contend, and that’s a damn shame considering how close we’ve been the last couple years. There are a few big plays to be made every game that he’s missing. They’re easy. The scheme works. Hit those, and suddenly we’ll be rolling. Suddenly, the formula won’t be so one-dimensional and rigid, we’ll be able to succeed in answering the dynamic questions various opponents present.
I’m happy that possibility exists while we’ve got some decent room for error now. How awesome would it be if we really capitalize?